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Cpl.Guillemette
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Post subject: Nice info website Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:32 pm |
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Cpl.Guillemette
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Post subject: Re: Nice info website Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:23 pm |
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Just found some stuff in there on street fighting:
Finally, it must be emphasized that a small attacking force in street fighting cannot afford to take prisoners; it is too easy for them to escape and, having escaped, to do great damage to their captors. Furthermore, men cannot be spared for escort
Didn't tought it would be in intern files to say don't take prisonners
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RustIronCrowe
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Post subject: Re: Nice info website Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 5:44 pm |
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Joined: Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:16 pm Posts: 1138 Location: Denver, CO
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Thank you for posting the link, and I advise anyone who has not done so to look through the enormous collection of material publications they have at LoneSentry. I have had that site as a permanent bookmark on my computer for about five years now, and have consulted their material hundreds of times. Very cool site 
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Schneller
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Post subject: Re: Nice info website Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:23 pm |
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Total agreement I have used it as part of my fact checking regularly. That, and my inherent brilliance, vast experience (and Darnit, Good Looks  ) accounts for the high quality of my posts... Your Humble Correspondent
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coldstreameruk
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Post subject: Re: Nice info website Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:49 am |
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take a look at this one guys
British Street Fighting Tactics,
Very relevent, and alot of the tactics are still used today.
(oh how i wish i could just get most of a team to practise these methods on some maps.. lol)
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Hans Ludwig
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Post subject: Re: Nice info website Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:17 am |
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I found this site awhile back. While it's a great resource, I don't like the old school web design and layout of putting everything on the front page. It makes it one big mess and hard to navigate.
And another thing that pisses me off is that some people feel the need to put a watermark on their images. So why bother sharing them in the first place? As far as I'm concerned, no one owns anything dealing with WW2. I feel like everything pertaining to that time frame should be in the public domain.
But I do like this part I found on that site:
"The New Zealanders were of the opinion that the Tiger's heavy front and rear armor made it unlikely that the tank would be knocked out by hits on these parts. Simultaneous frontal and flank attacks were considered desirable. The New Zealanders found the Tigers' side armor definitely vulnerable to fire from 17-pounders. Other weak spots, it was reported, were the rear of the tank, just over the engines, and the large exhaust hole, also in the rear and just over the left of center. Some commanders found high explosives the most effective ammunition against these rear parts."
Now when I whine on a tank server from being blown up on from a front, I don't have to hear a "17pounder can take out a tiger."
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tt33
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Post subject: Re: Nice info website Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 7:46 am |
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Hans Ludwig wrote: no one owns anything dealing with WW2. I'm sure somewhere there's a man stroking a white cat who disagrees...lol  but seriously you are right its worse when you find a good looking tank interior pic however the website admin only uploaded some ridiculously small thumbnail of it because you need to pay them to get a good look at the insides of a tank....  I'd rather buy a book than give money to a shadey website. Hans Ludwig wrote: Now when I whine on a tank server from being blown up on from a front, I don't have to hear a "17pounder can take out a tiger." wikipedia so-called "knowledge"( or half-truths).The truth was the 17-pounder was not the solution to the Tiger and Panther problem( granted perhaps a short term answer) as the rounds were not consistently effective even vs the first Tiger.... theoretically the 17 pounder's rounds can fail even vs an 80mm side armor plate of the Tiger at the correct angle and M/s of the round I put a chart up before also in a British report (effect of impact and velocity) the British managed to accurately predict at what angles and ranges the 17 pounder would fail frontally vs the Tiger I tank even a slight 5-10 degree angle really helped the Tiger I.... due to round shattering and failing vs the thick frontal armor.
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FuriousBystander
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Post subject: Re: Nice info website Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:04 pm |
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tt33 wrote: wikipedia so-called "knowledge"( or half-truths).The truth was the 17-pounder was not the solution to the Tiger and Panther problem( granted perhaps a short term answer) as the rounds were not consistently effective even vs the first Tiger.... theoretically the 17 pounder's rounds can fail even vs an 80mm side armor plate of the Tiger at the correct angle and M/s of the round I put a chart up before also in a British report (effect of impact and velocity) the British managed to accurately predict at what angles and ranges the 17 pounder would fail frontally vs the Tiger I tank even a slight 5-10 degree angle really helped the Tiger I.... due to round shattering and failing vs the thick frontal armor. I thought those shatter problems with the 17 Pounder were mostly resolved by '44 with the use of capped ammo starting in late '43. The reports I've seen - and maybe they are the same you're talking about - were done in mid '43 to address and investigate the issues they were having with the towed version of the gun in Africa using just AP. The two real problems I see in this game re: the 17 Pounder is that it is WAY over represented on most tank maps - especially the custom server maps. And the APDS is too accurate as has been mentioned here numerous times.
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Shurek
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Post subject: Re: Nice info website Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 6:44 pm |
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APDS accuracy issues have been addressed in the upcoming patch/update/release. I can't help you with the mapping thingy though.
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tt33
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Post subject: Re: Nice info website Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:33 pm |
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FuriousBystander wrote: 17 Pounder were mostly resolved by '44 with the use of capped ammo starting in late '43. The shatter issues were never resolved during war times yes it got a bit better with the capped rounds however it was not resolved until the end of the war the data from the British report deals with APCBC and APDS rounds as does my shatter chart I posted earlier on another thread. FuriousBystander wrote: The two real problems I see in this game re: the 17 Pounder is that it is WAY over represented on most tank maps - especially the custom server maps I concur, pretty much the same RO IS-2 vs Panthers and Tigers formula all over again they don't even bother throwing a spawn limit on them ( by them I mean all the heavy hitters inculding the 17-pders which should be pretty rare rareish until after Normandy). FuriousBystander wrote: And the APDS is too accurate as has been mentioned here numerous times. Well, Shurek has been working on that however APDS is also way too consistent penetrating armor vs enemy vehicles such as the Panther and Tigers it should have much more failures.... There was an average was something like ~47-50% of APDS rounds would fail against the the target.
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Cpl.Jonno.UK
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Post subject: Re: Nice info website Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:22 pm |
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tt33 wrote: FuriousBystander wrote: 17 Pounder were mostly resolved by '44 with the use of capped ammo starting in late '43. The shatter issues were never resolved during war times yes it got a bit better with the capped rounds however it was not resolved until the end of the war the data from the British report deals with APCBC and APDS rounds as does my shatter chart I posted earlier on another thread. FuriousBystander wrote: The two real problems I see in this game re: the 17 Pounder is that it is WAY over represented on most tank maps - especially the custom server maps I concur, pretty much the same RO IS-2 vs Panthers and Tigers formula all over again they don't even bother throwing a spawn limit on them ( by them I mean all the heavy hitters inculding the 17-pders which should be pretty rare rareish until after Normandy). FuriousBystander wrote: And the APDS is too accurate as has been mentioned here numerous times. Well, Shurek has been working on that however APDS is also way too consistent penetrating armor vs enemy vehicles such as the Panther and Tigers it should have much more failures.... There was an average was something like ~47-50% of APDS rounds would fail against the the target. http://www.battlefront.com/community/ar ... 32092.htmlmaybe worth a glance through......... http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stor ... 7506.shtml
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SS-Kommando
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Post subject: Re: Nice info website Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 9:38 am |
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I believe that I have used lonesentry sometime. Also, here's three other useful websites: http://www.tarrif.net/http://www.battlefield.ru/http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/Tarrif is a good encyclopedia --that's easy to navigate-- for tanks, SPGs, guns and small arms used by the main combatants; battlefield.ru is good for anything Russian, and the last link contains detailed info on American tanks and halftracks.
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